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Episode 4: Standing Still, Speaking Truth, and Loving Others Well

In this episode of Courage Is Built Here, Justine opens Pathway Four: Love Others Well, which teaches how to live with, relate to, and lead others well. She welcomes Lisa Nichols, CEO and co founder of Technology Partners, respected leader, author, and host of the Something Extra podcast.

Together, they explore why love is not passive but brave. Lisa shares how courageous conversations shaped her leadership and why avoiding truth damages trust. She talks about preparing her heart before hard conversations, speaking with both grace and truth, and how accountability and empathy must work together for people to grow.

Lisa and Justine also discuss how old narratives, unforgiveness, and unresolved grief show up in the workplace, why emotional regulation is essential, and how feedback is always personal. Lisa reflects on how faith guides her leadership, how scripture offers practical wisdom for relationships, and why humility and curiosity strengthen connection.

In one of the most powerful parts of the conversation, Lisa shares her family’s seven year journey through her daughter’s autoimmune illnesses and how that season taught her a quiet form of courage. Instead of fixing, pushing, or forcing, she learned the bravery of being still, trusting God, and believing that He works even when we cannot see it.

They close by talking about choosing connection even when it is not reciprocated, setting healthy boundaries, and leading with compassion, presence, and deep care.

Key Takeaways

  • Love others well requires truth, grace, empathy, and accountability.
  • Avoiding difficult conversations does not protect relationships. It erodes trust.
  • Forgiveness requires grief and naming the hurt.
  • Emotional regulation is essential and often learned later in life.
  • Accountability systems are necessary for healthy leadership and culture.
  • Courage often shows up quietly in stillness, patience, and surrender.
  • Old stories and past hurts shape how we work unless we name and heal them.
  • Choosing connection takes courage, especially when it is not reciprocated.


About the guest

Lisa Nichols is the CEO and co founder of Technology Partners and the host of the Something Extra podcast. She is a respected leader known for her commitment to integrity, empathy, innovation, and community impact. Lisa also serves in multiple faith based and community organizations and is passionate about helping leaders grow with purpose and compassion.

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Author:

A Licensed Professional Counselor, Justine Froelker has over 25 years of experience in mental health, personal growth, and professional development. For eleven years, she was certified in Dr. Brené Brown’s work on vulnerability, courage, and empathy. Justine now shares her own curriculum, Courage is Built Here™. This transformative program empowers individuals to live and lead with self-awareness, authenticity, and resilience, building a foundation for courage-centered leadership. In addition to writing her blog since 2013, Justine is an accomplished author of thirteen books—including five Amazon bestsellers—Justine has written across genres, from children’s books to in-depth explorations of infertility, faith, grief, and leadership. She has delivered two TEDx Talks, The Permission of the And and The Donut Effect, which highlight her unique perspective on navigating life’s complexities with grace. Justine is a sought-after speaker who travels nationally and presents virtually to global audiences, delivering keynotes, workshops, retreats, and trainings on topics such as leadership, resilience, mental health, coping with burnout, courageous and curious conversations, and fostering cultures of inclusion and belonging. Justine lives in St. Louis with her husband Chad and their two dogs, Gertie and Winston. You’ll often find her volunteering at Wild Bird Rehabilitation—supporting the medical team and feeding hundreds of tiny, hungry babies during baby bird season. And during butterfly season, her home comes alive with the flutter of wings as she raises hundreds of monarch and swallowtail butterflies.

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