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Episode 30: Stop Expecting People to Read Your Mind and Start Saying What You Need

In this episode of Courage is Built Here, Justine opens Pathway Five, Do the Work, with a powerful and practical conversation about communication, expectations, and recalibration. She invites Dr. Kelley Watts to share how doing the work in her own life transformed her relationships and created more clarity, connection, and alignment.

Kelley shares a story about a difficult holiday season that revealed just how much she had been carrying without communicating. Through that experience, she began practicing a new approach: regulating first, owning her part, and then speaking her expectations clearly. Over time, this led to the creation of intentional rituals, debriefs, and systems that helped her and her husband build a more supportive and collaborative dynamic.

Together, Justine and Kelley explore how often people live from internal stories instead of reality, expecting others to meet needs that have never been expressed. They discuss the courage it takes to invite others into a new way of relating, the importance of humility and curiosity, and the reality that not every relationship will recalibrate the way you hope.

Throughout the episode, they emphasize that doing the work is not about perfection. It is about practicing awareness, making adjustments, and allowing yourself to change as you grow. From releasing the need to be right to letting go of doing everything alone, this conversation offers a grounded and honest look at what it means to live with intention and courage.

Key Takeaways

  • Pathway Five, Do the Work, is about owning your part, rewriting old stories, and making intentional changes.
  • Many frustrations come from unspoken expectations rather than actual communication.
  • Regulating before reflecting helps reduce blame and increase clarity.
  • Speaking your needs out loud creates healthier and more aligned relationships.
  • Recalibration is a practice, not a one-time event.
  • Letting go of what used to work allows space for new, better dynamics.
  • Humility and curiosity are essential for growth and change.
  • Inviting others into a new dynamic does not guarantee they will accept it.
  • Grief and disappointment are part of growth when relationships do not shift.
  • Releasing the need to do everything alone creates more connection and support.


About the guest

Dr. Kelley Watts is a psychologist and resilience coach who helps people build practical skills to navigate life with more clarity and confidence. Drawing from counseling psychology and trauma-informed work, she focuses on helping individuals strengthen their relationship with themselves so they can make aligned decisions, communicate more effectively, and create meaningful change in their lives.

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Author:

A Licensed Professional Counselor, Justine Froelker has over 25 years of experience in mental health, personal growth, and professional development. For eleven years, she was certified in Dr. Brené Brown’s work on vulnerability, courage, and empathy. Justine now shares her own curriculum, Courage is Built Here™. This transformative program empowers individuals to live and lead with self-awareness, authenticity, and resilience, building a foundation for courage-centered leadership. In addition to writing her blog since 2013, Justine is an accomplished author of thirteen books—including five Amazon bestsellers—Justine has written across genres, from children’s books to in-depth explorations of infertility, faith, grief, and leadership. She has delivered two TEDx Talks, The Permission of the And and The Donut Effect, which highlight her unique perspective on navigating life’s complexities with grace. Justine is a sought-after speaker who travels nationally and presents virtually to global audiences, delivering keynotes, workshops, retreats, and trainings on topics such as leadership, resilience, mental health, coping with burnout, courageous and curious conversations, and fostering cultures of inclusion and belonging. Justine lives in St. Louis with her husband Chad and their two dogs, Gertie and Winston. You’ll often find her volunteering at Wild Bird Rehabilitation—supporting the medical team and feeding hundreds of tiny, hungry babies during baby bird season. And during butterfly season, her home comes alive with the flutter of wings as she raises hundreds of monarch and swallowtail butterflies.

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