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Episode 38: You Can Be Afraid and Courageous at the Same Time

In this episode of Courage Is Built Here, Justine welcomes Marc Braun to Pathway Three, Be Fully You, for a conversation about authenticity, fear, and the courage to live in alignment with who you truly are. Together, they explore why courage is not about eliminating fear but intentionally moving forward despite it.

Marc reflects on how walking alongside his son during addiction recovery reshaped his understanding of courage, compassion, and leadership. He shares how those experiences strengthened his commitment to accountability, emotional honesty, and creating relationships built on trust rather than perfection.

Together, Justine and Marc discuss authentic leadership, healthy boundaries, the stories fear creates, and the importance of managing the emotional inputs that shape how we show up in the world. They also explore why people need both empathy and hope during difficult seasons, and how small acts of courage build the confidence to face life’s biggest challenges.

Key Takeaways

  • Pathway Three, Be Fully You, invites us to show up authentically instead of hiding behind fear or perfection.
  • Courage is intentionally doing something you’re afraid of, not waiting until fear disappears.
  • Walking alongside his son during addiction recovery taught Marc that accountability, honesty, and vulnerability create lasting growth and healthier relationships.
  • Authentic leadership requires balancing transparency with healthy boundaries rather than oversharing.
  • Compassion allows us to see people as human without excusing harmful behavior or abandoning accountability.
  • Fear often grows from the stories we tell ourselves, making self-awareness an essential part of courage.
  • The information and media we consume directly affect our emotional well-being and deserve intentional boundaries.
  • Small, everyday acts of courage strengthen our ability to face bigger challenges over time.
  • Authenticity becomes easier when we stop trying to control how others perceive us.
  • Courage and fear can exist together, and meaningful growth often begins when we move forward anyway.


About the Guest

Marc Braun is a leadership coach, speaker, and founder of Encouraging Leaders, where he helps individuals and organizations develop healthier, more authentic leadership. Through decades of coaching leaders and walking alongside his family during difficult seasons, Marc has learned that courage is choosing to move toward fear instead of waiting for it to disappear. His work focuses on helping leaders build trust, practice accountability with compassion, establish healthy boundaries, and create cultures where people feel genuinely seen, valued, and supported.

Connect with Marc:

Website: https://www.encouragingleaders.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marcdbraun/

Author:

A Licensed Professional Counselor, Justine Froelker has over 25 years of experience in mental health, personal growth, and professional development. For eleven years, she was certified in Dr. Brené Brown’s work on vulnerability, courage, and empathy. Justine now shares her own curriculum, Courage is Built Here™. This transformative program empowers individuals to live and lead with self-awareness, authenticity, and resilience, building a foundation for courage-centered leadership. In addition to writing her blog since 2013, Justine is an accomplished author of thirteen books—including five Amazon bestsellers—Justine has written across genres, from children’s books to in-depth explorations of infertility, faith, grief, and leadership. She has delivered two TEDx Talks, The Permission of the And and The Donut Effect, which highlight her unique perspective on navigating life’s complexities with grace. Justine is a sought-after speaker who travels nationally and presents virtually to global audiences, delivering keynotes, workshops, retreats, and trainings on topics such as leadership, resilience, mental health, coping with burnout, courageous and curious conversations, and fostering cultures of inclusion and belonging. Justine lives in St. Louis with her husband Chad and their two dogs, Gertie and Winston. You’ll often find her volunteering at Wild Bird Rehabilitation—supporting the medical team and feeding hundreds of tiny, hungry babies during baby bird season. And during butterfly season, her home comes alive with the flutter of wings as she raises hundreds of monarch and swallowtail butterflies.

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