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Episode 25: Stop People-Pleasing and Start Choosing Yourself

In this episode of Courage is Built Here, Justine opens Pathway Five, Do the Work, with a powerful conversation about what it means to stop people-pleasing and start choosing yourself. She invites Mary Pat Jacobs to share her journey of stepping into entrepreneurship after being laid off and learning to take risks without having everything figured out.

Mary Pat shares how starting her business required her to move through fear, uncertainty, and self-doubt while continuing to take action. She reflects on how courage is built through small steps, connections, and a willingness to put yourself out there, even when it feels uncomfortable.

Together, Justine and Mary Pat explore the deeper layers of people-pleasing, including the realization that avoiding disconnection with others often leads to disconnection from yourself. They talk about rewriting identity, embracing a beginner’s mindset, and giving yourself permission to learn as you go.

They also discuss the importance of support systems, coaching, and therapy, as well as the challenges of navigating social media and staying aligned with your values in a noisy, fast-paced world. Throughout the episode, they return to the idea that doing the work is ongoing and requires intentional, courageous choices every day.

Key Takeaways

  • Pathway Five, Do the Work, is about actively rewriting old stories and living in alignment with your values.
  • Starting a business requires courage, risk-taking, and willingness to act without having all the answers.
  • Being laid off can become an opportunity to choose yourself and pursue a more aligned path.
  • Courage is built through small, imperfect steps, not waiting for the perfect moment.
  • People-pleasing often stems from a desire to avoid disconnection with others.
  • Choosing others over yourself can lead to disconnection from yourself.
  • A beginner’s mindset creates space for growth, learning, and imperfection.
  • Support systems, coaching, and therapy are essential tools for building courage.
  • Creating from love, values, and purpose feels different than operating from fear or scarcity.
  • Social media and constant information can distract from intentional living and require boundaries.


About the guest

Mary Pat Jacobs is a leadership and HR coach and consultant who works with individuals and organizations to support growth, alignment, and more effective ways of working. After spending many years in corporate, she transitioned into running her own business, where she helps leaders and teams develop skills that improve both their professional and personal lives.

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Author:

A Licensed Professional Counselor, Justine Froelker has over 25 years of experience in mental health, personal growth, and professional development. For eleven years, she was certified in Dr. Brené Brown’s work on vulnerability, courage, and empathy. Justine now shares her own curriculum, Courage is Built Here™. This transformative program empowers individuals to live and lead with self-awareness, authenticity, and resilience, building a foundation for courage-centered leadership. In addition to writing her blog since 2013, Justine is an accomplished author of thirteen books—including five Amazon bestsellers—Justine has written across genres, from children’s books to in-depth explorations of infertility, faith, grief, and leadership. She has delivered two TEDx Talks, The Permission of the And and The Donut Effect, which highlight her unique perspective on navigating life’s complexities with grace. Justine is a sought-after speaker who travels nationally and presents virtually to global audiences, delivering keynotes, workshops, retreats, and trainings on topics such as leadership, resilience, mental health, coping with burnout, courageous and curious conversations, and fostering cultures of inclusion and belonging. Justine lives in St. Louis with her husband Chad and their two dogs, Gertie and Winston. You’ll often find her volunteering at Wild Bird Rehabilitation—supporting the medical team and feeding hundreds of tiny, hungry babies during baby bird season. And during butterfly season, her home comes alive with the flutter of wings as she raises hundreds of monarch and swallowtail butterflies.

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